Blackbyrd ([info]blackbyrd2) wrote,
@ 2008-04-29 20:57:00
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I saw this review of Pontiac's new G8 sport sedan over at MSN and just had to link it. And comment.

On the one hand, I drove a V6 G6 last year as a rental. It was brand new, and I loved almost everything about it. It had decent power, good handling, even decent fuel economy, for a V6. (If I was careful, which I was.) The interior was both roomy and upscale, and extremely comfortable. I drove all the way across Iowa in it.
The only problem with it was, it was a Pontiac. And an automatic.
By the time I turned it in, with 3600 miles on it, I could feel the transmission beginning to get 'soft' and sloppy. I have no idea what kind of car it would be at 50,000 or at 100,000, but I could guess. Pontiac has never impressed me, even back in the days of the old Firebirds.

This new one comes with an optional 6.0L V8. That's a 6.0 liter V8, putting the block somewhere in the 350 cu. in. area, I would guess. (a 5.0 is about equivalent to a 302, as I recall)
And a 6 speed automatic sport tranny, which you can use as a manual. 18 or 19 inch rims, a sweet looking interior. Lots of power. And all for $30k.

But it's still a Pontiac. And gas prices are currently staring $4 a gallon in the face. Who, exactly, is their market? People who want a muscle car, but are on a budget, yet too shortsighted to realize this thing will get half the mileage of your average Toyota, and look half as good? This is what Pontiac leads with?? Come ON!

Put together a smart little roadster with more HP than weight. That'll sell to the midlife crisis bunch.
Or put a luxury sedan together with the smoothest, plushest ride on the road. Spare no expense, and market it to uber-successful DINKs.
Or do the smart thing, and build something with style, with a hybrid motor or an all electric car, and catch the wave of the future. I mean, I'm 51 for crying out loud, and even I can see that the days of the gas-guzzling muscle car have been gone for 20 years, and that within 5 years, nobody would touch that car for anything, because the mileage is going to drive you to bankruptcy. Hell, you put your foot in the thing once to burn a little rubber at the light and you'll be out $50. Anybody with that much money to burn isn't going to be driving a bargain basement muscle car like this. They'll be in their Porsche or their BMW Boxter.

See, this is why America's economy is in the toilet. Because American industry is clueless.


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[info]serrana
2008-04-30 04:29 am UTC (link)
You know I entirely agree with you.

There was a thing in the paper this weekend about how it's not possible to trade in your SUV any more, locally. Because nobody's buying them, and everyone wants something more efficient.

Meanwhile, my dad tells me we need a bigger car every time the subject arises. Er, no. A station wagon, yes. A trailer hitch, quite possibly. A bigger car? No.

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[info]blackbyrd2
2008-04-30 04:43 am UTC (link)
Yep. I'd love a Prius if they were adapted to highway driving. I'm considering a hybrid SUV to haul the trailer, or at least to replace one of our trucks. (Although that'll be [info]ms_issicran's call, natch, because it'll likely be her truck we replace.)
I know my truck is going to become difficult to get rid of soon, and it's only a little V6 Ranger. Fortunately, I currently drive my own vehicle about once every two months, so I'm not getting killed by gas bills.

I would laugh at the people with Hummers, but I still hate them too much to even find their economic pain funny.

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[info]serrana
2008-04-30 05:00 am UTC (link)
We bought the Prism (Corolla) new, eight years ago, and everyone said we were crazy to worry so much about gas mileage.

Er, yeah, we have yet to think that was a bad choice....

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[info]blackbyrd2
2008-04-30 10:21 am UTC (link)
I thought the Prism was a Geo (which, in turn, I thought was a GM label)?

So the Geo line is a body variant on the Corolla frame/drivetrain?

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[info]mcnutcase
2008-04-30 02:26 pm UTC (link)
The Geo Prizm was a GM-labelled Corolla. I know Toyotas of that vintage; I've also spent significant time in a Prizm.

It's a Corolla with minor cosmetic differences. Heck, from far enough away, it looks as though it's a Corolla. This is why it was actually a decent car...

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[info]serrana
2008-04-30 04:28 pm UTC (link)
Hrm...let's see. All Geos were Chevys, but they were all really cross-brand things. I don't know what the rest of the Geos were, but the Prizms were really Corollas with different badging (everything under the hood says Toyota). As the Geo deals GM had expired, they rebranded the Geos as Chevys. Ours is a 2000, and was one of the last model years.

They're all made at the NUMMI plant in Fremont, CA. We bought a Prizm rather than a Corolla because my parents had one of those GM credit cards, and so we got something like a $5000 discount on the car. (Between that and the salvage on totaling the previous car, I think we paid about $5500 for a brand new car that was then selling at $17K, which is probably the best deal I'm ever going to get on anything as long as I live).

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[info]lionsphil
2008-04-30 11:43 pm UTC (link)
4 (U.S. dollars per US gallon) = 0.531613528 British pounds per litre

Oh, to have the luxury of complaining about such cheap fuel!

£1.09/litre. And rising.

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[info]blackbyrd2
2008-05-01 12:11 am UTC (link)
Hmm. I can see it might appear to be whining, but I quite realize how expensive gas is elsewhere. My point not that we're paying more than anyone else, but that the days of cheap gas here are gone, and our gas is going to cost us more and more as it continues to rise.

Even though the US may benefit from lower prices, presumably due to the volume we use, (as opposed, say, to the weapons we agree to sell) our prices are going to go up, which is going to be a shock to the American consumer, even if it is still cheaper than anyone else's petrol. See, we've budgeted for this. In our wages and salaries, in our lifestyles, in the things we buy. Gas has always been a factor, even when it was truly cheap.
But, when one item in your budget undergoes cost increases of several hundred percent over a period of just a few years, or even say 30-50% in he course of a few months, and that item represents a chunk of your budget; Well, that's going to have an impact.

So, the point is, while expenses have increased, not just personal gas consumption, but for ground, air and ship transportation (which costs, of course, are passed on to the consumer..and since the US is a physically large country, such costs can be significant) which means that every aspect of our lives, from the day to day travelling to the groceries we buy, and the energy we use, and the merchandise we purchase, etc becomes more expensive, our wages; what we buy this stuff with, has not risen to keep pace.

And wages are not likely to keep pace. What happens when your products become more expensive to sell? People buy less. How do you get them to buy more? You cut costs, try to keep prices down. You can't lower the cost of transportation, but you can refuse to give your workers wage increases because the economy is slow, and the company is not doing that good. Which, of course, exacerbates the problem further.

The key, of course, is that the American consumer is going to be doing whatever they can to control the outflow of cash, including minimizing the impact of dramatically increased costs in their budget, probably by NOT buying a sexy, but cheap gas guzzling muscle car.

So you see. Not whining about the price we're paying so much as noting the dramatic increase from what we're used to and prepared for.

This time back in 2000, the cost for gasoline here was only occasionally peeping over the $1.00 mark. It is now looking to be a 400% increase in 8 years, with no end in sight. That's an average of 50% per year. That is a significant impact on one's bottom line when wages haven't moved in all that time. Is this really the time to indulge one's inner adolescent?


ETA: And to put things into perspective. I chose 2000 because that was when our economy took a major hit; the dot com bubble burst, Bush became President, and some 12 million people became unemployed.

For a more dramatic set of figures, in 98 I think you could still buy the occasional $.50 gallon of gas, so we're then looking at an 800% increase over ten years. In the good years (98-00) the average worker could probably count on a decent 3-5% increase in wages. Just a hair more than inflation, but actually enough to mostly keep pace even with the added expense of gasoline. From 2000 on, one couldn't 'count' on any increase at all.

Edited at 2008-05-01 12:42 am UTC

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[info]lionsphil
2008-05-01 10:10 pm UTC (link)
About 15% rise in last six months, if very quick back-of-a-cerebellum maths hasn't failed me. Yeah, alright, I'll grant you that you might be going through more of a culture shock—if only because you've had it so cheap for so long.

(For British prices since 2000, there's a graph in this BBC News article from late last year. "Only" about 50%.)

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